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Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk

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Reminds me of something Elon Musk said. A lot of the content on the internet is a "projection of our limbic system". (Elon saying this https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI?t=1074)

I see the craze around crypto the same way. It is a representation of something in our limbic system. Perhaps greed?

mw888
Why limit your theory to blockchain? “Craze” in general seems to be limbic in nature, but that’s common knowledge, isn’t it?
Elon Musk talks a bit about it in the infamous Joe Rogan podcast: https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI?t=1124
Joe Rogan has had an incredible year.

Joe Rogan interviews Dr. Andrew Weil https://youtu.be/WjYYdMNUXF8

Joe Rogan interviews Elon Musk https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI

Joe Rogan interviews James Hetfield https://youtu.be/5O6QPTawR14

Anybody also feel there is some sort of similarity between the way how she talks and Elon Mask?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI

Joe Rogan interview of Elon is much better: https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI
davej
I don't agree. Rogan is a better interviewer but Elon is much more fluent in the recode interview.
dorianm
Joe Rogan as interviewer but in the Tesla Palo Alto office instead of in the evening when Musk is tired would be perfect.
Joe Rogan Experience [0]. I love that he sits down with people and actually has long in-depth conversations with them. Here's a few interesting ones:

* Let's start with his Elon Musk discussion [1]. It came out 2 weeks ago and it already has 14m views. They basically discuss a bunch of his ideas along with things such as AI and the future of humanity. It's fascinating to get a peek into the kind of person he is.

* His discussion with Matthew Walker has been one of the most enlightening ones for me [2]. He's a sleep expert, and in the podcast they go over different myths relating to that. There was recently a HN post [3] where some people were quoting him and his book.

* Another big favorite of mine was his discussion with Paul Stamets [4], a mycologist (i.e. a mushroom expert). They discuss some of the effects of different kinds of mushrooms, including psilocybin mushrooms (colloquially known as magic mushrooms).

* I loved his discussion with Gary Johnson [5], the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate for 2016. How many other presidential candidates would you imagine would be willing to sit down and answer hard-hitting questions for +2 hours? He also had a discussion with Larry Sharpe [6], the Libertarian Party's candidate for governor of New York in 2018. Full disclosure: I recently joined the Libertarian Party. Listening to these podcasts pushed me to learn more about their movement.

* He had a discussion with Mikhaila Peterson [7], the daughter of Jordan Peterson, which many might find interesting. She had been suffering from rheumatoid arthritis and other medical issues all her life, and switching to a carnivore diet made all the symptoms go away

[0] http://podcasts.joerogan.net/

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18050090

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqWstVnRjQ

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQIuHGbKckY

[6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSmggQZno6w

[7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_7688Zk6s

timonoko
Netflix should take best of Joe Rogan podcasts in the repertoire. When properly translated, they have worldwide audience. Joe Rogan standups are actually of lesser value, because they mostly deal with domestic issues in America.
This was talked about at length on Joe Rogans show by Peter Schiff:

https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI

I think its a net benefit to Puerto Rico to be in this position.

s73v3r_
Not if Puerto Rico isn't able to tax those super-rich using them as a tax haven.
caymanjim
If they taxed them, it wouldn't be a tax haven.
vlehto
Puerto Rico now has rich consumers who pay the salaries of poor Puerto Ricans. Who then pay income tax.

Small slice from a big pie is better than big slice from non-existent pie.

s73v3r_
Trickle down economics was long ago shown to be a complete fraud.
vlehto
You're right. Money doesn't flow too easily from the most rich to the most poor without government intervention.

But state finance is separate issue from that. And money flowing to the most poor would not do much to state finance, because the most poor typically are unemployed and hardly pay any taxes.

st1ck
That's the one with Elon Musk. This is Schiff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1OgqQQANg. And this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u7kDfEtKfs
Strange as this may sound, this reminds me of Joe Rogan's interview with Elon Musk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI

Some of Asimov's predictions about the future were... off. The middle segment of Musk's interview with Rogan was about the future of AI and cybernetics. It will be very interesting to watch that interview in 40 years.

acqq
> Some of Asimov's predictions about the future were... off.

I'd appreciate if you'd be more specific than that. I consider Asimov's predictions and insights reasonably good.

I don't have almost any interest in Musk, however, based on what I've read up to now.

dotancohen
Musk is considered a visionary because he does. As opposed to most other visionaries who speculate.

Sure, Musk speculates as well, but when he gives a time frame multiple it by 1.88.

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Sep 08, 2018 · 7 points, 0 comments · submitted by simonebrunozzi
lihaciudaniel
You can find useful insights in life from Mr. Musk, some just psychological arguments I agree upon from experience of reading.
Sep 08, 2018 · nodesocket on Company Update
Highly recommend listening to the entire 2.5 hour Joe Rogan podcast[1]. It really does give a nice glimpse into his mind, and at times he appears to almost start choking up talking about fossil fuels and climate change. Once they get into the whiskey it actually gets more interesting, from evils of AI, to life being a simulation, to thinking positive and asserting as a whole judges, police, and military are some of the finest people we have. You can tell Elon is fed up with the constant negativity toward people and pervasive pessimism fueled by social media. I also honestly think he is probably dealing with depression, as you can almost see it in his face and speech.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI#

You can watch the video here: https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI
Sep 07, 2018 · 61 points, 39 comments · submitted by joering2
nickik
While this is a good interview and interesting maybe for Hacker News. Why this sensationalist click bait title?

He does one tiny hit of a weed/tabaco joint in the whole show.

Ftuuky
Haven't seen the video yet but by the gifs I saw on twitter it looks like he didn't even inhale.
joering2
I don't find it click bait title, but then again I posted it so my pov may be biased.

I thought it was interesting nit-pick to see Musk smoking. I was hoping maybe some other tech/entrepreneurs on the site will open up about their habits. Is smoking weed generally helps programming, managing project? I wouldn't know.

Edit: you welcome to suggest and update.

supernintendo
No different than the rest of the clickbait bullshit coming from corporate media. The fact that people are making a big deal about this is depressing.
mankash666
Maybe they're alluding to the $420/share going private tweet? Rumored to be weed inspired
herpes
There's a theory that Musk is behaving oddly on purpose to manipulate the stock price.

If it's cheaper because everyone thinks he's a loon, it makes it less expensive for him to buy up shares and take it private again.

LeoNatan25
People seem to focus on the joint, but I am more worried that he can't piece a few coherent sentences together.
fipple
He has always been a bad speaker.
leesec
He's always had sort've a goofy/semi-awkward style of talking. He has immense pressure to say the right things, and he also has a huge amount of things in his head (genius), so probably takes a bit to formulate an accurate thing to say.
sschueller
I am going to get down voted for this but the truth is that he is definitely not a genius and not a savant either. He thinks he is and keeps saying it but instead he is someone who can convince the average person that he is a genius. It is cringe worthy listening to him if you have any knowlege in any of the fields he is involved in.

There are actual geniuses and brilliant people working at space X and Tesla. For example the COO of space X who is the one that made the NASA deal yet I doubt anyone here knows her name.

BlackjackCF
Genius is such a loaded term.

I think Elon's a smart guy. He has a big part in designing some of the rockets. However, I think his actual brilliance is in marketing. He (clearly) knows how to generate hype/buzz for all of his companies.

But yeah, I find it hilarious that people think he's the only reason why SpaceX and Tesla succeed. Tesla's taking a nosedive and SpaceX isn't largely because of Gwynne Shotwell.

wil421
It’s not the CEOs job the be he genius. They should have a high level grasp on subjects and be able to relay the information back to the public/shareholders/the board etc.

The COO is the person behind the curtain and the CEO is the showman or visionary.

leesec
This is so hilarious to me. I don't think there is an instance of him saying he's a genius. Regardless, you're inferring a person whose ran/started several multi billion dollar companies, in a variety of fields, as well as teaching himself to design literal rockets, is just like a slightly above average guy.

There are many, many people with close relations to him who would call him a genius, but yes, I'm sure you know the 'truth'.

'I think Elon Musk is a genius and I don't use that word lightly. I think he's also one of the boldest men that ever came down the pike. Put me down as saying I've always been afraid of the guy whose IQ is 190 and he thinks it's 250. I like to think there’s a little of that risk with Elon. He is a certified genius.' - Charlie Munger.

nickthemagicman
Ok Elon
paulcole
> Put me down as saying I've always been afraid of the guy whose IQ is 190 and he thinks it's 250.

Huh? Haven't there been like 7 people ever with an IQ of 190?

leesec
It's a metaphor homie, he's just saying he thinks he's really smart but even still theres a risk he overestimates himself.
paulcole
Never heard of a metaphor. new ICO?
tptacek
If Munger snark is your argument, can I rebut by asking how much TSLA has Berkshire Hathaway acquired?
yalph
Genius and good CEO are very different things. Also I dont think he is a genius at all.
leesec
Lol, my the munger quote was just an example of people who are more accredited than a random hackernews poster thinking that Elon is a genius.

But sure, Berkshire Hathaway owns 0 Tesla stock [0].

Not all opinions have secret motives haha.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/berkshire-hathaway-portfolio/

tptacek
I think "genius" is one of those things people say about people just to be nice. That certainly seems to be the case here, if you get the whole context of what Munger thinks about Tesla. Compare what he has to say about Tesla and Musk with what he has to say about BYD.
tjpnz
His brain has always been faster than his mouth.
petermcneeley
And when he does he sounds grandiose like a teenage edgelord. https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI?t=1236
subie
As the interview went on he got a lot more relaxed. This is probably the worst example from the interview and happened 20 mins in.
petermcneeley
Sure but you would have to agree that he sounds very odd at that timecode. Especially when you consider that he is no expert in the field and that the field itself is still extremely immature.
bachbach
I, and many other nerds sound like that to other people when we talk of X or Y - having ideas and the ability to communicate them effectively is hard - especially when it is not just an idea - but a shift in perspective.

I feel strongly about this because I was trying to explain a possible implication of optogenetics to somebody this morning and suspect I came off sounding like a crazy person :)

What Musk is doing is making the familiar alien, trying to see from an external perspective holistically - which makes for results which are closer to something out of Ghost in the Shell than the everyday banality - and yet the banal world - when all the pieces fit together from a higher perspective really does possess an extraordinary big picture. Like the termites in the hill or Charles Darwin's understanding of how something normal (sex, reproduction rates and selection) really leads to something extraordinary.

Anybody looking through the macroscope will sound maladjusted until their beliefs ignored or become widely accepted. Think of that doctor who tried to get his coworkers to wash their hands. We have a hard time distinguishing between those and Coco the Clown. Our prior is 'if you don't sound like my internal monologue you must not be an ally and so be subject to suspicion'.

The other side to this - groups like Scientology take advantage of anybody who lowers their wards.

petermcneeley
I have always assumed that if I explain something to someone and they dont get it then I need to do a better job at explaining it. Its like the difference between a magician and a scientist.

A Magician takes the trivial and shrouds it in confusion till one is astonished by the reveal. A scientist deconstructs the reveal into the simple and trivial.

I loath the magician.

bachbach
Well, there is simple and correct and simple and wrong.

The Copernican description of reality is simple and correct and threw away complex but incomplete models.

I'm sure you've noticed that people frequently create complex models for something, but it is only later it gets reduced to something easier to understand.

Probably this is because the elegant model is difficult to reach on the first pass, so the more circuitousness paths are taken first - your thoughts?

petermcneeley
Interesting, have you read this? https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.ht...
bachbach
Yes, it's interesting.

Not appreciating the mental scaffolding that takes you to the next point is a serious problem. Developmental economics and artificial intelligence - the scaffolding is neglected.

In developmental economics we only thought we knew how we got rich. Regressive planning (working backwards) failed because we are unaware of most of our past, even the recent past - we had a false consciousness about what actually took place. What we have is a bunch of just-so stories for grown ups and this is normal for humans in everything.

Neuroscientists say this is feature of how our memory works.

AI is similar because of Moravec's Paradox. People have been going around saying that more intelligent machines will come and replace physical labour for some time but the opposite is true. The paradoxical results of Moravec's Paradox occur because again we are unaware of the scaffolding required to replicate an artificial cerebellum system aka a brain/nerves/muscles - a body that knows how to move.

If you watch the most recent videos of walking computers you'll notice we are heavily implying we need very effective computer algorithms and vast quantities of data to produce a robot that can walk across the floor.

There is something wrong with that picture. I wonder if sea slugs brute forced traveling across the ocean floor with their supercomputers (now lost to us!).

petermcneeley
A slug doesnt need a supercomputer because a slug is working more like this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44
bachbach
There's nothing going wrong with Elon or his companies that can't be fixed - but for the good of mankind we need to hunt him down, kidnap him, and make him get a good night's rest for about two weeks with zero contact on electronic devices or people.

I felt similarly wired to what I see in the video once, I took a 10 day meditation retreat and whether or not it works doing nothing for over a week was exactly what I needed.

The problem is that it is easy to justify not doing this - an endless series of excuses are available.

Afterwards you'll feel the sharpest and most focused you've ever been and the effect lasts for weeks.

emodendroket
Maybe what's for the good of mankind is to stop funneling public money to somebody so unstable and unable to deliver on his promises.
beaconstudios
do you really think the world would be a better place without the guy who's been pushing for cars to go electric, and drastically lowering the cost and practicality of space launches? There's plenty of people who I wish didn't have the impact they do, but Elon Musk isn't one of them. Sure, he makes mistakes, but in contrast to what he's been able to achieve those mistakes seem very permissible.
emodendroket
Ask all the injured factory workers what they think, maybe?
beaconstudios
Of course the injuries suffered by the tesla workers are tragic and I'd much prefer if tesla would work at a safer, saner pace so as not to endanger their people. But I'm still glad that someone is out there trying to put a dent in climate change, and get our space trajectory back on track.
manigandham
There are injured factory workers from every factory on the planet. We should be better, but it's unlikely to ever be 0 anywhere. Either way, we cannot just stop the world every time somebody somewhere gets hurt.
emodendroket
The rates were worse at Tesla in part because of frivolities like "Elon doesn't like yellow safety markers aesthetically."
manigandham
There have been no corroborating reports of this other than that single article, and there are miles of yellow all over the factory which now has a better safety record than when it was under previous ownership.
nickik
This is a complete lie.

Tesla payed back the loans to the government.

SpaceX is excellently executing on the ISS Cargo contracts and are the furthest ahead in terms of human spaceflight as well.

SpaceX has performed many flights for government and is universally agree on that they have saved the government an absolute shitton of money.

emodendroket
Here's an instance just months ago https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/14/technology/elon-musk-boring...
nickik
You mean this privately financed project?
Sep 07, 2018 · 48 points, 7 comments · submitted by dfischer
wpdev_63
Joe Rogan is disingenuous.
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hyper2grams
What a very well-thought-out comment.
jumbopapa
Why do you say this?
GhostVII
Wow, I knew Musk wasn't good at speaking, but he doesn't look at all like a CEO here. Part of that is probably because it is a long interview where he didn't get the questions ahead of time, but he just doesn't seem very confident in his answers, almost awkwardly answering the questions. Seems pretty stressed.
nickik
Why stressed? It looks like when I sit around with my friends, smoke weed and talk about crazy shit. You don't have answers and sometimes you are like 'I don't know what this guy is talking about'.
dfischer
He looks fine to me. I don't think he's stressed, if anything I'd say it's like how he shared his view on AI. Before he was stressed and concerned, and now he feels like if it happens it happens. You put in your work, do what you can, and own who you are.

I found it highly inspiring and really admire the candor without a fake personality.

Why do we have to "act" in society even as CEO's? Be human, and do your best.

prolikewh0a
He's a business man, not this 300 IQ god-like figure everyone makes him out to be.
enoj
To me it seems the exact opposite than stressed. It seems completely relaxed, him just being honest about nothing and everything at the same time. Taking his time to think before answering, sipping on a drink and enjoying it too.

I agree he doesn't look much like a CEO, but does that need to be something negative? I think I know Musk better as a person after watching this, in contrary to the typical Silicon Valley "CEO" corporate interviews.

EDIT: Should be noted too that this is pretty common for Joe Rogan interviews. Relaxed atmosphere and 2-3 hours of thinking out loud without much structure or agenda.

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