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IANA-Philosopher, but if music, geometry, and logic could each encode all the same things, and we have a musical "sense," for its rules and symmetry, it's reasonable to speculate that music is an artifact of patterns and theorems that appear in these other areas, and where we don't have an matching rule in one area, it implies one should exist in the other.

It's stuff like the machine learning kit that produced a new AC/DC song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEVsDN84Hc), meaning that machine learning has discovered an algorithm for producing outputs from rules effectively hidden in the band members heads.

The function the ML model discovered that produces theorems in the domain of plausible AC/DC songs isn't as useful to us as the one that produces plausible fluid dynamics models, but the possibility that the properties (or category) of that function might contain other analogies and isomorphisms to geometric figures, graphs, and other objects may imply that when we listen to music or compose, it our minds could just be in effect, "doing math," - and whether we in fact do anything that is "not math," either.

High level, I suspect this may have been what Hofstadter, Dennett, and Searle were on about.

⬐ pesfandiar

It seems like the author only used a Markov chain to produce the lyrics, but the rest is sung by an AC/DC impersonator. It's still quite impressive, but I'd love to see the music itself generated by GANs as well.

⬐ wvenable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJgNpm8cTE8

⬐ developer2

Hot damn, technology is catching up with humans' manual creations. Your video is reminiscent of Adriano Celentano's song "Prisencolinensinainciusol"[1]–whereby he created a song to represent what English sounds like to non-native speakers[2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsmF9m_Nt8

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol

⬐ alexdowad

If the lyrics were all generated by a Markov chain from beginning to end, there's no way that it would have a repeating chorus.

Are all the 3-word tuples actually used in other AC/DC songs? (Output this grammatical could not be generated by a Markov chain that only looks at 2-word tuples.) If not, that also seriously calls their claim into question.

I think the maker would have done well to be more upfront: "AC/DC Song Co-authored by a Computer" or something like that.

⬐ cvaidya1986

Love it!! One day we can just “order” a “new” Hitchcock movie or Crichton novel?!

⬐ lowdest

More than that. If you don't like the first page you can just start a fresh one.

⬐ cvaidya1986

Nice!!

⬐ default-kramer

> Also let me say that trying to sing like Brian Johnson is extremely hard.

I think he did a very good job! You can easily tell the difference side-by-side, but still, it's close enough that I thought it was deepfaked at first.

⬐ foolinaround

would love to see a blog post about it!

⬐ notatechie

cooool!!!

⬐ dls2016

1000x times more listenable than an actual AC/DC song.

⬐ jsnell

Honestly, this doesn't read like Markov chain output. It feels more like a human writing what they think a Markov chain would do. Or maybe autogenerating a bit of it and then having the human riff on whatever nonsense the generator produced to fill in most of the song.

⬐ jmknoll

The creator of something similar (but with Nickelback) posted on Reddit last week and went into a bit more detail, but essentially, he created a bunch of lyrics with a markov chain, then arranged them into the structure of a song.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/gc68t3/nickelbot_nob...

⬐ jsnell

I don't buy that explanation, there's clearly a ton more human involvement here than just rearranging verses.

The output is far too grammatical and maintains too much thematic consistency across filler word distance to be output by a low-order Markov chain, but is too unique compared to the (very small) corpus to be output by a high-order one.

⬐ creaghpatr

The music is more or less the structure to For Those About to Rock by AC/DC (1). Pretty amusing though, and AC/DC would be a good test drive for an AI generator because the song structure and lyrics don't have a ton of breadth.

(1) Compare to: https://youtu.be/fKhTk0IynHM?t=78

⬐ remmargorp64

Yeah, the whole notion of this being something generated with a markov chain feels too much like hype.

The guy admitted on reddit that he manually cherry-picked and assembled the lyrics, and then he sang and recorded the song himself.

For all intents and purposes, he might as well have just fed a bunch of AC/DC lyrics through a word randomizer and then assembled the new lyrics by hand. No AI or markov chains required.

On the other hand, here is ACTUAL real music generated and played entirely by AI: https://openai.com/blog/musenet/