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Add audio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8g-iYGHpEA :-)

Here's what different sorting algorithms sound like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8g-iYGHpEA

Bubble sort takes the most time. :)

⬐ InclinedPlane

Only because bogosort wasn't tried.

⬐ Isamu

And people say bubble sort isn't any good. I suppose they haven't HEARD it yet?

⬐ momokatte

This makes me want to sort something. The loose change strewn all over my desk. The contents of my fridge. The words on this page. Anything.

⬐ petdog

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⬐ jacquesm

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⬐ hyyypr

Awesome link. It reminds me of a website showing a matrix with visualizations of several sorting algorithms: http://www.sorting-algorithms.com/ (which was posted somewhere here iirc).

⬐ ramki

where is quicksort?

⬐ jacquesm

Too fast to hear.

But nice to look at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxENKlcs2Tw&feature=relat...

⬐ sesqu

Bullshit on the too fast. Mergesort never needs more comparisons than quicksort, and mergesort was featured.

⬐ jacquesm

Errm. Yes. I know that. It was a joke...

⬐ sesqu

I've noticed that we don't share the same sense of humour.

Generally speaking, I've seen too many people assert that quicksort is blazingly fast to believe all of them were joking. It doesn't particularly help that the major sorting algorithms are severely fragmented, because people optimize variously for stability, time, space, comparisons, swaps, cache locality, parallelizability, best case, worst case, average case, amortized average case, arrays, lists, integers, objects...

⬐ jacquesm

quicksort has very bad performance on the wrong data.

But on the kind of data that the test showed it would perform more or less on par with merge sort. To suggest that quick sort would be that much faster than merge sort that you couldn't hear it when there are obviously quite a few steps is to me more than enough reason to assume a joke rather than a serious answer.

Anyway, humour is a hard thing to get across online, I should have added a ;) at a minimum apologies for that, also HN seems to frown on humor (even though every now and then there are some really good jokes here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1597571 ) this one was reasonably lame but the subject wasn't all that serious to begin with.

Sorting is enough of an issue that Knuth devoted the better part of a very thick book to it and to this day there are plenty of people that think that 'one size fits all'.

The more you know about your data the faster you can sort it.

⬐ jemfinch

Merge sort may use an optimal number of comparisons, but that doesn't stop it from being slower than quicksort in most cases in real life.

⬐ tfmorris

Interesting, but not new. Mark Brown did this two decades ago at DEC SRC (and probably others before him). http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/Compaq-DEC/SRC-RR-76A.html

⬐ hubb

i know the choice of sounds was arbitrary, but it nonetheless reminded me of the seal calls of 'encounters at the end of the world': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SORza1fqQGk

⬐ snprbob86

That was super cool! I really enjoyed how my brain started matching the sound and the bar heights in such a way that by the end I said "of course that one sounds like that".

⬐ ysorter78

See another experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5ml9e2THw

It sonifies the following algorithms (from http://www.algolist.net/Algorithms/ ) - Bubble sort - Selection sort - Insertion sort - Quicksort

You can also see their sonograms.

⬐ meatmanek

What, no quick sort? And no heap sort?

⬐ Batsu

There was a link to the heapsort at the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXAjiDQbPSw

⬐ moultano

That is by far the coolest sounding of the bunch.

⬐ Synaesthesia

I think Mathematica can be used to make "audiolizations" really easily. They include one of the Riemman Zeta function as a demo. It sounds really cool (sorry I can't find a link, I'll try upload it)

⬐ keyle

That was really cool. Is the speed indicative of the speed of the sort?

⬐ frio

Given that the width of the elements being sorted changes (therefore there are more/less elements in different visualisations), I'd say no.

⬐ simonista

I'm not sure, but the visual part of the videos looks a lot like visualizations I've seen in algorithms classes where the speed does represent the speed of the sort. So I'd guess that it does here as well.

These are really great. As a musical person it engrained these concepts that much deeper for me. My wife, who is not much of a computer science person like the merge sort the best.

⬐ mr_twj

I would say it's likely. There are all sorts (pun intended) of optimizations you can do for each algorithm, but at the textbook level, I could say they seemed typical as far as speed expectancy goes. My rough estimates for the times were (in seconds): insert: ~10, bubble: ~27, selection: ~18, merge: ~17, and gnome: ~19. I have only written inserts, bubbles, and selections; with bubble being slowest and insert being the fastest, my limited experience agrees with the video. Note: the merge algorithm appeared to have sorted a different data set.

⬐ jassadat

Here is a live version of the sounds of various sorting algorithms. Done using HTML 5 audio - http://bit.ly/sort-sound

⬐ muyyatin

It would be interesting to listen to graph algorithms.

⬐ scotth

What do you imagine would determine frequency?

⬐ muyyatin

For example in depth first search, the depth.

⬐ dhs

I like that. And in breadth first search, one could use a filter on a saw wave to have the breadth of the frequency spectrum manipulated by the search.

⬐ ralph

Why does the bubble sort continue to the end of the array on every pass, when it could stop one earlier each time?

⬐ mhansen

There's a lot of effort been put in to this, I like it.

I love that you can hear the bubbling in bubble sort :D

⬐ marktucker

I noticed that too! Good stuff.

⬐ Technophilis

Merge sort's sound is actually recursive.

⬐ Luc

At times this sounds a lot like an old Williams shoot'em-up arcade game, like Defender for example.

⬐ vijaydev

Cool job! Gnome Sort - now that's new to me!

⬐ willvarfar

bubble sort sounds like someone chanting "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" !!!! :D

⬐ pavs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

⬐ transmit101

Disclaimer: sorting algorithms can sound like just about anything, depending which parameters you map to which sounds.

This is just a simple example of data sonification, albeit with some nice visualisation too, and a subject matter which appeals to the computer scientists in the room.

⬐ Tichy

I thought the values to be sorted would be the amplitude of the sound wave, and the value currently touched by the algorithm would be played in each step.

Of course you could still pick arbitrary values and arbitrary start orderings.

⬐ noncee22343

No. Under some simple guidelines, which the model follows, the sorting algorithms won't sound like just about anything.

If you sort random permutations of the values [1, n], and map some monotonic property to the values, then not only are there provably some sounds which certain algorithms make that others don't, but more generally there are 'average case' signatures for each algorithm that give them their own recognizable cadences, and that is exactly what this video is demonstrating.

That you can use a 'boop' or a 'beep' or 'buzz' or invert the monotonicity is obvious and irrelevant.