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Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement | Damien Riehl | TEDxMinneapolis

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In the litany of copyright infringement lawsuits, technology lawyer and musician Damien Riehl demonstrates that music is merely math, and has a finite number of possible melodies. If you’ve ever thought a song you like sounded similar to another, the culprit may not be an unethical forger, but rather the limited mathematical musical equations that our favorite artists have to work with. Current copyright law is at risk of severely limiting future music creation and future human creativity. This talk suggests a new way to handle these legal cases. Damien Riehl is a technology lawyer with a B.S. in music. After beginning to code in 1985, and for the web in 1995, he has worked for the chief judges of state and federal courts; litigated for a decade; taught law-school copyright classes; and led teams in software development, digital forensics, proactive cybersecurity, reactive cybersecurity incidents, and world-scale investigations. Damien’s combined experience in the law, technology, and music has inspired his most recent project—copyrighting billions of unique melodies. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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There is also the brute force approach (from 2020) to generate every possible melody and release it under the Creative Commons:

https://youtu.be/sJtm0MoOgiU

That is the reason these guys decided to Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU TED talk

lovelyviking
did it help?
Is this beginning of a Copyright trolling campaign or preventing accidental infringement as similar case in music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU ?
graderjs
No way. At all. I say the code and logo is MIT licensed. But funny nonetheless ;p ... I think there's better ways to make money XD
You wouldn't even need ML. Iirc there was this guy who coded a script that played every permutation of 12 notes in a 5 minute period and then made all the Melodys public domain. Ianal so I don't know if this would hold up in court, but technically that should invalidate every copyright on Melodys after that point in time.

E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU&t=135 found the ted talk

mcbits
Since there is little to no creative input in merely enumerating permutations, I don't think he has a valid copyright to waive. But the fact that the data set exists might sway a judge or jury away from upholding copyright claims on trivial excerpts of other works.
Feb 11, 2020 · 4 points, 0 comments · submitted by slowhand09
Feb 10, 2020 · 7 points, 5 comments · submitted by philips
philips
Here is their website: http://allthemusic.info/
crmrc114
Okay, I love this- also it shows major holes in current copyright laws.
sarcasmatwork
Yes, and Youtube's methods and algorithms they have deployed. They assume the claimant is the rightful owner.
philips
tl;dr the team brute force generate the set of likely melodies and put them on a hard disk to copyright them.
emptybits
An interview, today, with Riehl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfXn_ecH5Rw
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