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Reminds me of the Holocene Calendar, which argues for setting the year 0 ten thousand years earlier to include all of major human history. So instead of writing 02022 AD it would become 12022 HE, for Human Era. It would mean to update these date libraries fast though...

An episode of kurzgesagt about this topic: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

If we're using 5 digits, add 10K years: we're in year 12021 of this Holocene calendar. (Happy palindrome year!) 0 is pre-history, some of the very first permanent construction. An 8min video by Kurzgesagt on it: https://youtu.be/czgOWmtGVGs

⬐ garmaine

That’s the Holocene calendar, not the Long Now date writing tradition.

Cesare Emiliani and Kurzegesagt make the case that we think of world civilization as much newer than it is, because our year count is now only to 2021. They argue for instead bumping our year by 10,000 to more truly reflect the age of our civilization, to 12,021, and (arbitrarily) commemorating Göbleki Tepe as its foundation

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/94EO...

https://youtu.be/czgOWmtGVGs (2016 or 12016)

12020 is better than 02020 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar)

This reminded me of a proposal to add a leading 1 to our year[2020 -> 12020]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

Cesare Emiliani proposed that the Construction of the Göbekli Tepe 12,000 years ago could represent a "start of civilization", creating a "holocene calendar".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Emiliani

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar

⬐ Alkhwarizmi

Watch “The Gift” on Netflix!! Interesting rabbit hole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

Slightly related good man/woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

⬐ barking

I can see some value in it, BC dates are confusing but it's also just another year chosen as 0 based on a particular historical occurrence. The video makes a big deal of supposed inclusivity benefits of this change which is wearying

⬐ dalbasal

What would your preference be? Ybp is out. Holocene era is too hippy.. Personally, I would go with years before me but otherwise I'll take any convenient dating method including the year of some lord if it does the job.

AD/BC does the job ok for classical history and onwards. Now that "history" is extending back before the bronze age and even to these really early dates...we obviously need a new stamp.

Why is including values of our time bad, while honouring some 2018ya lord good?

⬐ barking

>Why is including values of our time bad, while honouring some 2018ya lord good?

I didn't say that was bad, I just figured if you wanted to say 15k years ago you could say 15k years ago instead of making up another acronym, ago isn't a long word. Also I don't necessarily think you have to date from the supposed birthdate of the Jesus Christ. But since we have, why not leave it as is? Why are we being subjected to CE and BCE? It would be quite a message-laden decision if some institutions had a policy of NOT referring to our numbers as Arabic numerals, for instance.

I'm all for leaving a religious calendar and using the Holocene calendar. Just add 10,000 to your dates and you're set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar

If you don't mind videos, here's a good explanation of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

⬐ JoeAltmaier

I'd date from the last major extinction - the Cretaceous extinction event! Just add 66 million to your date.

⬐ ASalazarMX

OTOH, I was pretty sure I wouldn't get to see the 10K problem, even less the 10M problem, and I intend to keep it that way.

It might not be what you were thinking, but the YouTube channel Kurzgesagt has 2 very good videos on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGiQaabX3_o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgOWmtGVGs

His stuff is well sourced and generally reliable.