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This might work for you, if you turn the sound off: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UxSI45eeAts

It's not marginal at all at the same price point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxSI45eeAts

Not to mention the ergonomic factor of being cooler and quieter.

⬐ AnthonyMouse

> It's not marginal at all at the same price point

This review appears to be comparing a dual core Intel i3 to the 4+4 core M1, which are only the same price because Apple doesn't sell any laptops for less than $999 even when they're a dual core Intel i3.

⬐ mixmastamyk

The i5 model costs more than the M1 and still doesn't perform as well. So that the i3 should be cheaper is somewhat moot.

⬐ AnthonyMouse

You're still comparing Apple's pricing for Apple processors to Apple's pricing for non-Apple processors. There are Ryzen laptops for less money than the M1 which are faster than the i5.

⬐ tosh

This is one of the best real-world performance comparisons between the M1 and Intel system I've seen so far

⬐ dehrmann

This will be hard to answer, but how much of this comes down to CPU architecture, how much is SoC vs discrete components, how much is Intel lagging on 10nm, and what would this look like with a laptop Ryzen chip? Or the latest Snapdragon?

⬐ perryizgr8

Also, how much of the Intel performance was kneecapped by Apple's insufficient cooling? On a laptop with the same Intel chip, but with a proper cooling system that doesn't peg the CPU to 100C instantly, I bet a lot of the performance gap would vanish.

Of course that doesn't take away the M1's superiority, just that the performance measurement is meaningless when the Intel CPU is constantly throttling at 100C.

⬐ coldtea

>On a laptop with the same Intel chip, but with a proper cooling system that doesn't peg the CPU to 100C instantly, I bet a lot of the performance gap would vanish.

On the other hand the M1 doesn't even have a fan, so there's that...

⬐ vonseel

That's a great question. I've got a hackmac with an i9-9900k that needs some optimizing. It was hitting 100C frequently until I changed some overclock settings, that's been remediated but I still haven't had a chance to optimize it. It appears most of the tools for measuring OC settings and benchmarking are PC-only, so that requires throwing up a Windows install alongside Mac OS - which I've done.

Dual-booting required disconnecting all other hard-drives to install Windows onto a new drive. Which is a ridiculous requirement and not even related to Mac or hackintoshing, but to the Windows installers inability to install in the presence of any drives with bootable EFI partitions – I think.

Off topic, but yeah, buy real Macs unless you have a lot of time to devote to fixing problems. Most of the time it's flawless. Upgrading and special cases are fun.

I'd really like to see how the M1 compares to my current setup in my real world use.

⬐ mixmastamyk

Incredible Intel gets kicked in the balls so hard by a fanless design. I'm thinking because Apple probably eats a bit more of the cost than Intel can it might make sense to test against perhaps a $100+ more expensive Intel chip.

⬐ pentae

I love that he does the thermal performance, a 5 C drop on idle temperature is exactly what I was hoping for. The previous gen intels were toasters.