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Brendan Eich's response is funny as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj49rmc01Hs#t=308

Brendan Eich covered this subject at O'Reilly Fluent conference in 2012:

http://youtu.be/Rj49rmc01Hs?t=5m7s

⬐ 1stop

Seems he took the Wat talk a little personally, but I'm not sure why he defends {} + [] by saying the first { is a statement... wat?

⬐ _mhr_

It's automating semicolon insertion. The browser translates {} + [] into {}; + [], so + [] === 0 too. {}; is undefined.

⬐ codeflo

Being pedantic: it's NOT semicolon insertion. Your actual point is correct, the {} is an empty block statement, and the +[] is a separate expression statement. It's equivalent to "{} 0".

However, semicolon insertion is only triggered when there's a newline at a position where there would otherwise be a syntax error. Here, neither is the case: blocks don't have to be terminated by semicolon (so no syntax error), and there's no newline in the source code!

⬐ drostie

It's because they wanted to say both:

    if (a) b;

and

   if (a) { b; c; }

which tends to make you think of curly braces as a syntactic feature which can appear anywhere, turning many lines of code into one line of code. If you think that way then these should possibly also be valid:

    {b; c}
    {b}
    {}

but, since JS scope is function-oriented and in other places (e.g. functions) the braces are ultimately needed anyways, even for one-liners, it seems like this was a stupid choice and we should have just rejected the form:

    if (a) b;

and then the reuse of {} for lightweight (if non-robust) hashmaps would perhaps be unambiguous again.

⬐ kbenson

Which is exactly what Perl did, but to alleviate the clumsiness of single statement if conditionals they added a post-conditional if statement of the form STATEMENT if CONDITION; (which has the benefit of being how some people express simple conditionals in real life. "Go left if you see the blue house.")

⬐ celebril

Brendan Eich is a homophobe and whoever links to his videos are complicit in his bigotry.

All his opinions should be discarded.

⬐ tsotha

You have no idea whether he's a homophobe or not, and clearly when the subject is Javascript his opinions should be considered very carefully.

⬐ archagon

Nobody's opinions should be discarded based on their behavior. Otherwise, we'd have a scant few scientists, artists, and thinkers in history actually worth discussing. (Also, people who link to him are complicit? Are you serious?)

⬐ MichaelGG

If by cover you mean he essentially shrugs and says "it was the 90s" and moves on to ES6.

⬐ skrebbel

Which seems a pretty appropriate reaction, no? :-)

Brendan Eich talks about the VM solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj49rmc01Hs Slides: http://brendaneich.github.com/Strange-Loop-2012/#/).

I personally believe that HTML is fantastic for what it was designed for: Structured Documents. But the world has gone more interactive and I believe the ad-hoc solution of Javascript, HTML and CSS is not "rich" enough to provide for the users demand.

I like the language independent VM idea as long as it doesn't turn out like bloated Java bytecode.

⬐ ralph

#golang had Limbo in its ancestry, another CSP language, this time for the Inferno register-based VM from Bell Labs. Target Go at a browser VM?

Hope they have the video out sometime! Seems to be some crossover with his keynote at Fluent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj49rmc01Hs - but these slides go into a lot more depth and include some of the newer goodies coming along.

⬐ puredanger

We're working on it....