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Greg Wilson's CUSEC 2010 Keynote
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All the comments and stories posted to Hacker News that reference this video.This is one of the articles I recommend to new engineers along with Greg Wilson's "What we actually know about software engineering and why we believe it's true."
> Most of the critics of waterfall haven't actually worked in such a project.I wouldn't say that's true.
> Most of the critics of either C or javascript haven't actually built anything noteworthy with it.
That's oddly out-of-place gatekeeping. I've built large things in C 25 years ago that didn't get finished or weren't put in production. That's enough to learn about C, at the time.
> Most of the critics of OOP don't have much practical experience with it
I wouldn't say that's true.
I read a collection of thoughts that feels like a combination of imposter syndrome (20 applications in 20 years? yeesh, that's sparse) and blanket characterization through arbitrary gatekeeping. I understand what they are getting at.
This sort of critique about software development practice critique was better covered in "What We Think We Know About Software Development and Why We Believe it’s True."[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Pt9Lf9JzQ
[1] About 18 months ~ 2yrs ago, all copies of this keynote were scrubbed from the internet as part of Greg Wilson capitalizing on his geek-fame with an Oreilly book and appearances. Recently, there has been an explosion of Greg Wilson videos on youtube. Not sure how long it will last. Similar information is presented in this updated, broad presentation that Greg Wilson put up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrVtA-ue-x0 and there's a PDF and a dry, stale version of the keynote presentation that I can't find again.
⬐ JtsummersYeah, I don't criticize Waterfall because I've never seen it or been part of it. I criticize it because I watched several million dollar mistakes happen under Waterfall process projects and one multi-billion dollar mistake (years late and they delivered the wrong thing, brilliant!).⬐ marginalia_nuDunno, I've personally worked on several supposedly agile projects that produced similar outcomes.