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Why Do Lunar Satellites Eventually Crash Into The Moon?

Scott Manley · Youtube · 56 HN points · 2 HN comments
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Spacecraft orbiting the Earth have remained in space since the 1950's and may last for centuries more, but spacecraft orbiting close to the moon can crash within weeks. The reason for this is the lunar gravity field is lumpy, with geological features making the smooth orbits of space probes distort until they hit the surface.

The recent publication on the giant lunar impactor:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2018JE005826

Moonquakes Paper
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0362-2

Footage and images taken from NASA's Apollo, GRAIL and LRO programs.
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The moon's lumpy gravity field actually causes the eccentricity of most orbits to raise quite fast, eventually bringing the periapsis below the surface (or the apoapsis on an escape trajectory, but I recall the former being more of an issue): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EadClM4Y45A
Graphic, of the Moon:

https://www.nasa.gov/images/content/711375main_grail20121205...

Most of the circular impressions are impact craters.

Variance of the Moon's g field is vastly greater than Earth's. Enough so that long-lived lunar satellites are very difficult to plan as their orbits continuously devolve due to gravitational perturbations, and eventually intersect the Moon at perilune. Often in a matter of weeks or months.

Scott Manley here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EadClM4Y45A

May 25, 2019 · 56 points, 8 comments · submitted by ColinWright
gshubert17
Mass concentrations ("mascons") perturb orbits of lunar satellites. The Lunar Orbiter is in a special "frozen" orbit in which the various perturbations cancel each other, with the tradeoff that this eccentric orbit is not optimal for photography.

EDIT: The auto-generated transcript feature enables one to read enough to decide whether or not to watch the video.

antognini
One of my favorite papers asks the opposite question: Why do Earth satellites stay up?

https://arxiv.org/abs/1309.5244

It turns out that the orbit of most satellites would be unstable were it not for the quadrupole moment of the Earth's gravitational field which detunes certain orbital resonances.

colechristensen
TL;DW from the video

>Spacecraft orbiting the Earth have remained in space since the 1950's and may last for centuries more, but spacecraft orbiting close to the moon can crash within weeks. The reason for this is the lunar gravity field is lumpy, with geological features making the smooth orbits of space probes distort until they hit the surface.

zwerdlds
GRACE is/was the Earth-centric counterpart. I believe there may be a more modern variant as well.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Grace/overview/index.html

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Somehow I knew before clicking that this was going to be a Scott Manley video. I love that guys channel, it's always so good. Even his less good stuff is still good!
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Even after watching the video I didn't really get it. One of the comments made it more clear though:

On Earth, the orbits decay because the satellite hits the atmosphere and slows down, losing energy to drag. On the moon, satellites don't lose energy, but their orbits change. The perturbations of the gravity field cause the satellite to be moving faster but lower on one side of the orbit and higher and slower on the other side. Taken far enough, the low side is lower than the mountain the satellite slams into.

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