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1. How Buildings Learn - Stewart Brand - 1 of 6 - “Flow”

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This six-part, three-hour, BBC TV series aired in 1997. I presented and co-wrote the series; it was directed by James Muncie, with music by Brian Eno.

The series was based on my 1994 book, HOW BUILDINGS LEARN: What Happens After They’re Built. The book is still selling well and is used as a text in some college courses. Most of the 27 reviews on Amazon treat it as a book about system and software design, which tells me that architects are not as alert as computer people. But I knew that; that’s part of why I wrote the book.

Anybody is welcome to use anything from this series in any way they like. Please don’t bug me with requests for permission. Hack away. Do credit the BBC, who put considerable time and talent into the project.

Historic note: this was one of the first television productions made entirely in digital--- shot digital, edited digital. The project wound up with not enough money, so digital was the workaround. The camera was so small that we seldom had to ask permission to shoot; everybody thought we were tourists. No film or sound crew. Everything technical on site was done by editors, writers, directors. That’s why the sound is a little sketchy, but there’s also some direct perception in the filming that is unusual.

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Presenter/writer: Stewart Brand
Brian Eno, original music: James Runcie, Producer
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I fear that another BBC favorite of mine, How Buildings Learn [0], is too modern (90ies) to have been produced on film...

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

Stewart Brand has done lots of good stuff. My favorite is the 6 part BBC series on "How Buildings Learn". It really opened my eyes to the importance of buildings. Very relevant to the frequent discussions here about zoning, design, etc. But also just an amazing, clear, well-informed amateur analysis of how the US has been doing in this field over the last 100 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

gav
The book that inspired the series is also great.

How Buildings Learn: What Happens After They’re Built: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Buildings_Learn

Sep 27, 2019 · 63 points, 11 comments · submitted by ivank
DoreenMichele
The piece in the video where they talk about an old building that evolved over 500 years reminds me of when I lived in Germany and we would visit castles and take pictures as our hobby. Most castles start as a single tower on a high point of ground and grow from there.

So one of the things we would do is go around trying to identify the oldest tower, the place where this fortification started. It was generally going to be simpler and uglier and out of step with the rest of the architecture.

It was also often fairly centrally located. At Wurzburg, I think it was found in some inner courtyard.

At one time, I had the book called How Buildings Learn. The gist of it is that wonderful old buildings didn't start out as wonderful old buildings. They grew into their wonderfulness as owners added onto them.

Time and living well in that space is what makes for wonderful buildings.

Jane Jacobs talks about the need for older buildings in a city and the need for buildings of various ages. She says that when you bulldoze an area and start over and build everything new you are usually doing great harm to the town.

Her description is that these areas "Were always dead, but no one noticed until the body began to smell."

Which means it was never a good idea. People just didn't figure it out until the newness and shininess wore off and the fact that it didn't work and was falling apart in short order started to really show.

It was her explanation for why people were wrong about "This area died." No, it didn't die. It was never alive to begin with. You just didn't immediately see it.

Buildings and cities need to grow and breath and live. They need to evolve organically. If you imagine they are static things, you don't understand them and you can't do right by them.

Spooky23
The problem with bulldozing is that you get what the developer wants, not what anyone needs. I’ve had the dubious privilege of working and living in monumental architecture built by via mass bulldozing by an architect that people have heard of. They are all terribly nonfunctional buildings with nice, well thought out public spaces, but junk for everything else.

In one complex, there is no way to cross between two buildings outside about 100 yards away without going up and down 3 flights of stairs. (Which are very pretty, but icy in winter) The solution is that folks take an labyrinth of elevators, traversing parking garages and narrow hallways.

There’s a million examples. But as a rule, famous architect + greenfield equates to shitty building.

DoreenMichele
Vernacular architecture is usually a better approach. But it's somewhat fallen out of favor of late.

One college put in sidewalks. People kept walking across the lawn.

In a daring and unusual move, instead of crabbing at people and trying to keep them on the sidewalks, they tore out the sidewalks and laid down sod. A few months later, they reinstalled sidewalks. The new plan was based on the paths worn in the grass by constant foot traffic.

We need more of those kinds of solutions.

EdwardCoffin
I've read the book carefully, cover-to-cover: it's a classic. I was fairly disappointed with the TV series though. I think the only thing I really got out of it was video of a few interesting buildings. For getting a good understanding of the ideas that Brand was trying to convey I highly recommend going straight to the book and bypassing the TV series.
madhadron
Make sure you get through the initial description of the problems with contemporary architecture that led the book to be written and get to the meat of the matter: how to think about buildings over time.

Also, the book this comes from is wonderful.

stevebmark
The parallels between buildings are built to evolve, and software, are wonderful to think about
asplake
Also a book!
TotallyGod
I also read the comments on youtube and one of them describes the series as a "terribly poor example of architectural information - so many unqualified statements, generalizations and assumptions that are simply incorrect"

From the same user:

"Architects often concentrate more on the look of a building than its eventual use or function" That is a very bold statement..... To say that architects downplay the function of building is a ridiculous thing to say.

"The central problem is that architects don't want change in their buildings, so they make it as difficult as possible." False. Architects are legally responsible to act for the betterment of their client and the general public. Being deliberately 'difficult' would result in an eventual loss of their license.

"Changes and remodeling is bound to be ugly." Give me a break, have you seen the Louvre? Or any other updated building, ever?

madhadron
You can ignore that user's comments. It's kind of like the venom that Christopher Alexander has gotten over the years. This book is a classic for a reason.

Also, everyone focuses on his sendup of architectural failings, which is the beginning of the book, setting up the context for the rest. The rest is a really useful model for how to think about vernacular architecture over time, as well as an excellent read.

eternalban
I remember back in Columbia GSAPP during Tschumi's reign I (unfortunately) had a studio with Stan Allen. The theme was "Brownian Motion" I kid you not, and he started us off with "consider a career in minor architecture" and how we really should be focusing on the "skin condition". Right around the corner, a young hot wunderkind from Princeton's studio was doing 'organic' forms that basically amounted to 'turd' forms.

I came to architecture from Electrical Engineering. It was shocking to discover that, from a theoretical basis, there was no there there in Architecture. As far as I can tell, it is still a field caught in an identity crisis. CAD and advances in materials and structural engineering has definitely helped carry it along but fundamentally, Architecture is struggling to establish a sound theoretical foundation (beyond sound bites) to guide the design of buildings. At least Alexander, et al. put forth an actionable bottom-up program for design.

neilv
In this TV series, Stewart Brand rightly acknowledges MIT's legendary Building 20, though there's a lot more to say about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_20

I had a chance to see Building 20, and do a student Web project on it, right before it was destroyed. Brand contrasts Building 20 with IM Pei-designed E15, which I worked in, and which had even more bad elements than he itemizes, though there were also some redeeming elements. The best thing about it -- other than the many students that filled it -- was that, sometimes, in the wee hours of the night, as you're slaving as a grad student, the cold and hostile interior cutout, which spanned every floor, was filled with the sound of someone playing the grand piano on the lower level... and belting out vocals of Billy Joel classics. I never interrupted and risked breaking the magic, but later learned the performer was someone who worked in IT, rather than a student/researcher/visitor, which I suppose is one loose sense in which the building was malleable wrt original intent.

I later worked in the fancy Frank Gehry-designed Stata Center that replaced some of Building 20, as well as served other purposes. It's a nice building, and some interesting conscious efforts were made, such as in the lobby/concourse area, which I think are paying off. There were a few glaring quirks that were designed in, or artifacts of the design, which seemed incongruous with the niceness of it. There was also sometimes suboptimal allocation of interior space, when some people didn't have enough space, but there were big chunks of underutilized space.

(This is partly relevant, and tangentially funny: One evening of late hours at work, several years ago, I was meeting with a professor in one of those underutilized sitting spaces, and a presumed undergrad student turned on an adjacent loud piece of machinery, which was placed poorly, next to professors' offices, and difficult to talk over. Professor asks student to use the machine later, because we're trying to talk. Professor was tenured and exceedingly accomplished, but (I think this might've been a factor in his response) female and young, and apparently the male student was very new and unaware. Rather than apologize and perhaps negotiate, he adopts an irritated, talking-down tone, "And who are you?" She responds, no note of irritation, just a hint of cheerful, "I'm Professor ___", and asks him to use the noisy machine later.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_and_Maria_Stata_Center

I understand that the Stata building also helped unite some groups previously from 545 Tech Square and elsewhere, including Project MAC, the AI Lab, LCS, and the W3C. Most of that greatness was before my time, but I read about it as a kid. What seemed to be a series of remodeling of 545 Tech Square took place after Stewart Brand's book was written, but, together with its previous twin building, could be used as a book cover illustration of building evolution over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_Square_(Cambridge,_...

That's a SUPER book. Everyone in software should read it. The primary expense in software is long-term maintenance, not initial construction.

Stewart Brand also made a video series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

Apr 08, 2019 · lqet on Paint Is Colored Glue
Ah, yes, I watched this series a few years ago and just realized that it may have inspired my post above a bit.

PS: I just shamelessly throw in another excellent BBC documentary series here: How Buildings Learn, by Stewart Brand [0]. I sometimes see it mentioned here on HN, but it cannot be mentioned too often. If you haven't seen it, please please do.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

stewart brand how buildings learn - free on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0 (uploaded by the man himself)
How Buildings Learn, based on (and in some ways better than) the Stewart Brand book. Definite takeaways for software architecture, and includes appearances by Christopher Alexander, a key instigator of the patterns movement. Produced by the BBC in the 90's, now on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

Turns out that many architects of the built environment are just as prone as those of the software kind to not caring about the usability and maintainability of their systems, let alone how how they will evolve over extended periods of time.

video documentary of the book with Stewart Brand hosting for anyone that's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

Saw the documentary and now reading the book, it's good.

Ooh, that reminds me of another excellent book on failure, Sidney Dekker's "Field Guide to Understanding Human Error": https://www.amazon.com/dp/1472439058

It's about investigating airplane crashes, and in particular two different paradigms for understanding failure. It deeply changed how I think and talk about software bugs, and especially how I do retrospectives. I strongly recommend it.

And the article made me think of Stewart Brand's "How Buildings Learn": https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140139966

It changed my view of a building from a static thing to a dynamic system, changing over time.

The BBC later turned it into a 6-part series, which I haven't seen, but which the author put up on YouTube, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

I especially like that in the comments he writes: "Anybody is welcome to use anything from this series in any way they like. Please don’t bug me with requests for permission. Hack away. Do credit the BBC, who put considerable time and talent into the project."

mcguire
That first episode should be required viewing (repeatedly!) by all architects, physical or software. Geeze.
There's a really good BBC TV series about this topic, which also covers the MIT Radio Lab that Tim mentions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

"How Buildings Learn" (1997)

Oct 20, 2016 · 1 points, 0 comments · submitted by rwmj
Feb 27, 2015 · falsedan on Rethinking office space
Strongly reminded of How Buildings Learn's first episode[1], about buildings as statements which turn out to neglect the people who occupy them.

[1] http://youtu.be/AvEqfg2sIH0

Steward Brand has a documentary and book on "How Buildings Learn". A building isn't made for architects, it's for people to use, and people over time are going to use their building for different, often very different things. Even such trivial things like "roof shouldn't leak" can be handwaved around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvEqfg2sIH0

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