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A COMPLETELY Upgradeable Laptop? - Framework Laptop Review

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When Framework told me they were making a completely repairable laptop I assumed it would be a flimsy chonker... I've never been so happy to be wrong.

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0:00 - You can't repair a MacBook!
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0:57 - Intro
1:06 - How Framework Started
2:28 - Opening it up
5:10 - Modular IO
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Framework | Product Marketing Manager, Hardware Engineering Manager | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE first | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are easy to upgrade, customize, and repair. Alongside that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace for the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook designed to last (see coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

We recently announced closing $18M in Series A funding led by Spark Capital to accelerate our roadmap. This of course requires continuing to build an amazing team. Some of the key roles we have open are:

* Product Marketing Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9b94167b-e9e2-4fc4-b8b7-7d44...

* Tier 3 Support Specialist: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/b583ba6a-d459-492c-a1a2-7ff5...

* Hardware Engineering Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/08ff5e23-6fa9-443d-9e0a-a413...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

Framework | Product Marketing Manager, Full Stack Engineer, Hardware Engineering Manager | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE first | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are easy to upgrade, customize, and repair. Alongside that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace for the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook designed to last (see coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

We recently (literally today) announced closing $18M in Series A funding to accelerate our roadmap. This of course requires continuing to build an amazing team. Some of the key roles we have open are:

* Product Marketing Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9b94167b-e9e2-4fc4-b8b7-7d44...

* Full Stack Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/370ea0b4-5f97-4a43-87bc-d66c...

* Hardware Engineering Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/08ff5e23-6fa9-443d-9e0a-a413...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

jamesdwilson
Can I email you? I'm a bit of a unicorn.
karelaine308
Mantium Inc. | Multiple Roles | REMOTE | Full-Time

Mantium enables AI enthusiasts (personal and professional) to rapidly prototype and share large language models like OpenAI’s GPT-3, solving one of the biggest barriers to AI adoption: deployment. And to keep your deployed AI behaving well in the real world, Mantium also includes security measures, logging, and human-in-the-loop. It’s your AI, make it heard.

Tech stack: React, Typescript, Python, FastAPI, PostgreSQL, Redis, Kafka

We are looking for people who want to make an impact on a rapidly growing company that values autonomy, mastery, and purpose. Mantium is a globally distributed team and well funded by top-tier venture capital firms. Currently, we are looking for: - Sr. Developer Evangelist: engage with the community, teach best practices, and create relevant developer collateral for the Mantium developer site. - Sr. Python Engineer: contribute to the design of new features, review code of your peers and mentor them when/where needed, facilitate engineering discussions, mentor junior engineers. - Sr. React Engineer: contribute to the design of new features, review code of your peers and mentor them when/where needed, facilitate engineering discussions, mentor junior engineers.

Visit our careers page for up-to-date openings: https://mantiumai.com/careers/ We look forward to hearing from you!

Framework | Growth Manager, Full Stack Engineer, Firmware Engineer | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE ok | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are designed to be upgradeable, customizable, and repairable. Along with that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace for the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the recently-launched Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook that is designed to last (see recent coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

Through the end of 2021, we're giving away a free Framework Laptop (i5-1135G7) to anyone who refers a candidate we end up hiring for one of our open positions! These include:

* Growth Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9cb479c8-524f-42e5-8887-29d8...

* Full Stack Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/370ea0b4-5f97-4a43-87bc-d66c...

* Firmware Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/4c33ea5e-5580-4eaa-ac84-0b26...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

Framework | Product Marketing Manager, Frontend Engineer | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE ok | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are designed to be upgradeable, customizable, and repairable. Along with that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace for the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the recently-launched Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook that is designed to last (see recent coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

Through the end of 2021, we're giving away a free Framework Laptop (i5-1135G7) to anyone who refers a candidate we end up hiring for one of our open positions! These include:

* Product Marketing Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9b94167b-e9e2-4fc4-b8b7-7d44...

* Frontend Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/35394a28-12de-41e0-b741-c3bf...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

Oct 24, 2021 · nomdep on OK Lenovo, we need to talk
You will be very happy with this new laptop then: https://frame.work/

Every internal component has a QR code sticker on it pointing to a web page with the specs, replacements, etc.

See: https://youtu.be/0rkTgPt3M4k

BerislavLopac
Is Framework available in a non-silver case? Ideally black or dark grey...
LegitShady
Not yet I don't think. They're very new and working with limited resources right now.

You could potentially find some vinyl wraps for it. Dbrand sells them.

dskloet
I assume that's why they wrote "excluding framework".
My personal laptop has been an Acer-C710 Chromebook for some time now. I bought it because it was inexpensive, upgradable, clearly could run linux, had an Intel (specifically non-ARM) CPU which meant that I could use nixos's binary cache for programs (non-ARM is probably somewhat less problematic today than it was in 2013). I went through several layers of rooting my Chromebook, eventually replacing the BIOS. I upgraded the RAM and (this year) replaced the HD with an SSD.

But my laptop is getting old. The bezel is cracked and the screen cable seems ... ungrounded? Black isn't quite black. Still, I have been hesitant to upgrade to modern, non-upgradable laptops. But a few months ago Graham Christensen posted about running nixos on the frame.work <https://grahamc.com/blog/nixos-on-framework>. And then this guy also seems pretty excited <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k>.

Unlike the Acer Chromebook, the frame.work laptop is not cheap. However, I'm no longer a post-doc and I am in a fortunate position that I can afford to splurge a little. So, ignoring the sunken cost of my recent SDD purchase, I decided to go ahead an place an order back at the beginning of August. The cheaper processor I ordered was shipping in October, and here we are in October.

Framework | Product Marketing Manager, Frontend Engineer | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE ok | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are designed to be upgradeable, customizable, and repairable. Along with that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace for the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the recently-launched Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook that is designed to last (see recent coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

Through the end of 2021, we're giving away a free Framework Laptop (i5-1135G7) to anyone who refers a candidate we end up hiring for one of our open positions! These include:

* Product Marketing Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9b94167b-e9e2-4fc4-b8b7-7d44...

* Frontend Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/35394a28-12de-41e0-b741-c3bf...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

Framework | Growth Manager, Full Stack Engineer | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE ok | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are designed to be upgradeable, customizable, and repairable by the end user. Along with that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace to monetize the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the recently-launched Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook that is designed to last (see recent coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

Our team is made up of folks from previous successful consumer electronics startups, including the founding team of Oculus. We're early stage, but funded to deliver on our mission.

We're hiring across a range of roles both around hardware development and on creation of our marketplace for repairable products and parts, including:

* Growth Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9cb479c8-524f-42e5-8887-29d8...

* Senior Full Stack Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/370ea0b4-5f97-4a43-87bc-d66c...

* And more roles in Engineering, Operations, and Marketing: https://jobs.frame.work

Same! The LTT review also mentioned the screen resolution as a problem, so that might be a nice upgrade in the future. FWIW, the rest of the review was really glowing.

https://youtu.be/0rkTgPt3M4k

this one looks terrific! I saw the review made by Linus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k - totally got me convinced. I left Apple to System76 2 years ago, but that'd likely be my choice if I'd be doing this today...
rkangel
I was waiting to read a trustworthy review, so just watched the video. Glad to hear that it's pretty good. Build quality was what I was worried about but it sounds generally good.

My only other question is Linux driver support. There was a brief mention about fingerprint scanner in Linux, but I really appreciate that Thinkpads under something like Fedora just work out of the box. Hopefully Framework will have similar support - it seems like the sort of laptop linux hackers would like to be using!

nrp
The latest Fedora 34 respins (and soon Fedora 35) work out of the box with everything including the fingerprint reader. Ubuntu 21.04 supports everything but the fingerprint reader, which needs libfprint 1.92.0. There is a pretty active community of Framework Laptop users now providing tips on how to set up different distros: https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91
Aug 10, 2021 · 2 points, 0 comments · submitted by G3rn0ti
Framework | Growth Manager, Full Stack Engineer | Full-time | Headquartered in Burlingame, CA, but REMOTE ok | https://frame.work

We're building people and planet-friendly consumer electronics products that are designed to be upgradeable, customizable, and repairable by the end user. Along with that, we're creating an e-commerce marketplace to monetize the ecosystems of products and parts we're enabling.

Our first product is the recently-launched Framework Laptop, a thin and light notebook that is designed to last (see recent coverage at Ars Technica [https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...] and Linus Tech Tips [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k]).

Our team is made up of folks from previous successful consumer electronics startups, including the founding team of Oculus. We're early stage, but funded to deliver on our mission.

We're hiring across a range of roles both around hardware development and on creation of our marketplace for repairable products and parts, including:

* Growth Manager: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/9cb479c8-524f-42e5-8887-29d8...

* Senior Full Stack Engineer: https://jobs.lever.co/framework/370ea0b4-5f97-4a43-87bc-d66c...

Jul 31, 2021 · 3 points, 1 comments · submitted by ameen
alpaca128
I hope they can establish their little market for people who care about this. The fact that this video caused a 2-day hug of death on their website could be a good sign.

Not sure yet whether to get this one, partially because I'd prefer an AMD chip. But Linux support might be great. Either way I'm in Europe, so it'll take a while.

> gluing everything together enables more compact, durable designs

Maybe a tiiiiiiiny bit more compact, but definitely not more durable. Frame.work can apparently produce easily serviceable, rather thin designs of laptops that are even modular (www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rkTgPt3M4k). This is way thinner than my 2008 era HP and thinner than my 2021 era Lenovo.

As far as phones go, the PCBs are a tiny part of the phone (The cpu, ram, storage combined are less than 1/2 of the phone surface area and probably less than 1/4 of the volume) so gluing them together doesn't even get you much. You might get a _small_ bit by soldering in the battery in the sense that you then don't need a "box" for the removable battery, but that is a small amount of space compared to the battery itself.

TheParkShark
Is the only purpose of the glue to make it harder to disassemble? If nothing else changed but glue wasn’t added would the product still function and look the same?
mrguyorama
It makes waterproofing a bit easier I think
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