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Clifford Stoll: The call to learn
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All the comments and stories posted to Hacker News that reference this video.I think this person is very well-practiced at giving talks and communicating in general.Her enthusiastic quirky style reminds me of Clifford Stoll's (https://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything)-- very warm, humorous, and humble.
His TED talk is probably my all time favourite. https://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything
⬐ ams6110Loved reading Cuckoos Egg back in the day but man ... can't sit through watching all that manic pacing and twitching.⬐ kemiller⬐ CptJamesCookIt's worth sticking it out to the end.⬐ diego_moitaHe looks like a real life version of the character Doc Emmett Brown from "Back to Future"."The first time you do something it's science The second time you do something it's engineering The third time you do something you're a technician"Funny quote.
⬐ bitmageA truly unique character. He's not kidding about making the Klein bottles either: http://kleinbottle.com/ I've got one on my shelf at home.⬐ OvertonwindowThe Cuckoos Egg wil always be one of my favorite books, bless this man.⬐ desireco42This guy is fantastic! I wish we had more scientists like this. I love how he outlined this talk on his hand and forces cameraman to display it.⬐ NoneNone⬐ pmoriartyThis video is distrubing, and it makes me wonder how Stoll ever got a TED talk. He seems to be severely hyperactive, have a lot of trouble focusing, staying on track, or remembering what he's supposed to be talking about. He also seems to have boundary issues and is insensitive to social cues or norms. The performance is reminiscent of someone on some sort of stimulant or maybe in a manic phase.I have trouble imagining how he could have enough focus to write a book or be productive in any way while in such a state. Was he always like this?
⬐ __s⬐ schoenBeing up on stage can cause these behaviors to magnify, be it from nervousness or excitement or showmanship⬐ lotsofcowsHe's amusingly high-energy. Have a look at his youtube stuff. He magnifies it for effect.To look at someone on a stage and discuss/dismiss them the way you have seems to miss the point of putting someone on a stage.
Given his output in books, videos, knitting and research, suggesting he has a lack of focus is laughable.
I guess the bell tower experience was extremely meaningful to Stoll, because I heard him speak in Berkeley in 1998 or 1999 and he also told that story at the end of his lecture. Maybe it's his equivalent of Richard Stallman's experience with the unmodifiable printer drivers.
For those of you who don't know Cliff Stoll, you need to watch this:
⬐ KboPAacDA3, and this:⬐ zacharyzOr read some of his books like The Cuckoo's Egg. He was honestly one of the reasons why I got into computers as a kid.⬐ jpalomakiInteresting companion to this is Markoff's "Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier" [1]. One of the stories covered in this book is the same one as in Stoll's Cuckoo's Egg, but from the other side.[1] https://www.amazon.com/Cyberpunk-Outlaws-Hackers-Computer-Fr...
And his TED video too - great stuff.https://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything?langu...
He gave a TED talk a few years back.[0] He's certainly an interesting, very alert guy, and he's a great motivator: he seems to be particularly good at exciting his audience and getting them curious about the subject matter. He taught 8th grade science class -- it must've been quite an experience being one of his students.
He also has a Klein Bottle company, with an entertaining website:And he gave a TED talk in 2006:
⬐ thaumaturgyHis is one of my all-time-favorite TED talks. I also happen to agree with him on most of his points.I currently make a reasonable living by untangling technology for people. Not only that, but I make another person's living doing it, and soon I'll be making yet another's, in spite of my many competitors all doing the same thing. I think this indicates some serious shortcomings in current technology, and a severe gap between technologists and non-technologists -- one which is incredibly difficult to communicate to technologists.
There are two different ways to read what he wrote. One is to take it in the way that most technologists would: when Clifford Stoll opens with, "The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper", you take the word "replace" in the most literal way possible, and say, "A-ha! But now we do have online databases replacing daily newspapers, so he was wrong!"
The other way -- and the one that I think is closer to his intended meaning -- is less favorable to technologists; in this case, no online database will "replace" our daily newspapers because online databases won't offer the same value. (Not more value, nor less value, but just not the same value.)
I think this is supported by his very next statement: "...no CD-ROM can take the place of a competent teacher..." And, again, I think he's exactly right. A competent teacher interacts with students in ways which technology has yet to offer.
And, some of his other statements are eerily prescient: "The Usenet, a worldwide bulletin board, allows anyone to post messages across the nation. Your word gets out, leapfrogging editors and publishers. Every voice can be heard cheaply and instantly. The result? Every voice is heard. The cacophany more closely resembles citizens band radio, complete with handles, harrasment, and anonymous threats. When most everyone shouts, few listen." ...This happens now, all the time, and yet I don't think it can be said that the average internet user is actually more informed about the topics on their favorite community site.
It's a cheap form of education, at best, the nutritrional equivalent of subsisting on a snack food and dessert diet.
"At best, it's an unpleasant chore: the myopic glow of a clunky computer replaces the friendly pages of a book." Again, readability on electronic devices is still a work in progress. ePaper and Amazon have made incredible strides, but many avid readers -- those that value the experience as well as the content -- still prefer a dead-tree book. For me, this has been something of an eye-opener recently: I started taking dance classes with my girlfriend a little while back, and the classes take place in a used book store. With my busy schedule and the internet at my fingertips, I haven't been visiting the book stores like I once did. But look! There's a great book on statistics! Oh, and Fluid Mechanics! Oh, and a sci-fi novel! And a history book!
Browsing Amazon just doesn't get quite the same reaction as wandering through the shelves of a good used book store. Amazon has other strengths; a local store can't possibly have a copy of everything, so if I'm looking for a specific title, Amazon might be a better bet. But, it doesn't completely take the place of a local store.
While he might have failed to predict the extent to which technology would evolve and invade so many people's daily lives, I don't think he was wrong to criticize technology's impact on those lives.
⬐ cafFor the truly hardcore avid readers I know, their initial scepticism about e-Ink readers is overcome once they try it out and realise that the decrease in the romanticism of the experience is outweighed by the fact that they can take their entire bookshelf away on holiday with them.For real readers, who get through a novel every day or two, the sheer mass of paper books is an annoying encumbrance.
⬐ mstevens"I think this indicates some serious shortcomings in current technology, and a severe gap between technologists and non-technologists -- one which is incredibly difficult to communicate to technologists."Personally I'm very aware of this gap, but I've never yet been convinced by the "serious shortcomings in current technology" part, except in a strictly commercial sense. Can you expand or provide references that might convince me?
⬐ thaumaturgyProbably not, but I don't mind trying. Most of this is based off of my experiences with my various clients; I haven't kept anything better than mental notes, so this is also all off the top of my head.First, let's have a unification of user interfaces. As it stands right now, novices find it incredibly challenging to tell when to left click, when to right click, when to click once, and when to double-click. They can't tell the difference between their "desktop" and their "web browser", and if you step back and think about it for a moment, it doesn't make any sense that they should have to.
I would also like to see the notion of everything in a computer being a metaphor for something in real life come to a blessed end. There's no reason that computers need to have a "desktop", and "files" and "folders" don't make much sense to novice users. Most of them are totally incapable of organizing their information in a useful way, and inconsistencies with file save and open dialogs don't help this. I often hear from people who just need help finding the file that they know they saved, but can't find on their computer. I've also had to reconcile vast hierarchies of folders for users that had been saving different versions of the same file to different locations.
I would like to see a new internet-distributed file system, where data is separated into regular chunks, and then those chunks are saved in multiple locations around the internet in a fast rootless node structure. Public chunks are unencrypted; private chunks are encrypted. To access all of your information from anywhere in the world, you simply sign in to a portal from any computer; your login decrypts a small chunk file which contains encrypted references to all the rest of your data. This would make the very idea of a "backup" completely obsolete and would solve data portability and storage issues for anyone with a broadband internet connection. It would also -- at least for a while -- completely halt viruses and malware.
I want to see consumer devices become more upgradeable and more modular. At least once a week I have to explain to a customer that their entire motherboard (or, often, laptop) needs to be expensively replaced, because the DC circuit failed, or a graphics chip overheated (thankyouverymuch HP).
I think there needs to be a serious effort to upgrade the communications infrastructure in the U.S.; I'm aware of the challenges presented by the geography in this country and current and past building practices. However, much of this build-out has already been paid for [1]. Instead, customers find themselves having to call tech support every time they think their email has stopped working, only to be told that their computer is currently in the process of downloading a 10MB attachment from someone.
I believe that there needs to be a much greater importance placed on performance in software. I think that the current commonly-accepted principles in software development -- ship early, ship often, and hardware is cheap so don't spend too much time making it fast or small -- is wrong-headed, and I think that's obvious to anyone who actually interacts with their customers on a regular basis. The fact that products like McAfee and Norton can have such massive impacts on system performance that the customer is left wondering what died and went to hell in their computer is a problem that needs to be addressed.
This is just for starters. I could go on like this for a long time. I think that all new construction should be wired up for gigabit, right alongside phone & power; I'd like to see cars with upgradeable powerplants; etc.
It's not that I think that current technology isn't improving, or that it's bad necessarily, but I do think there are many problems that it presents that its developers really aren't even aware of, or that they care to address. We keep getting more and more time sinks in the form of shiny new "social" networks where less and less of substance is shared in each iteration, while basic principles of design and infrastructure continue to languish in the shadows.
[1]: http://www.newnetworks.com/BroadbandScandalIntro.htm -- not the very best reference, but it's getting harder to dig this story up anymore.
He gave a talk at TED in 2006.
⬐ alanthonyc"if you want to know what society is going to be like in twenty years, don't ask a scientist...I don't know..."I guess he proved himself right.
I'm reminded of the Clifford Stoll TED talk. To paraphrase - If you want to know the future, ask kindergarten teachers - http://www.ted.com/talks/clifford_stoll_on_everything.html