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BTW, a lot of what he writes is covered in a recent presentation he did: http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272030715

⬐ bambax

[Caveat: I really don't know anything about raising money, so this question may be stupid. If so, please be kind!]

PG says that

1. "super angels" (acting like angels, but with outside money) are out to eat VCs' lunch by filling the gap between ordinary angels and VCs, putting more money than angels into startups but without requiring a board seat like VCs usually demand

2. VCs react to this threat by blowing up "valuation": they invest just like super angels, but at higher valuations, because they don't really care about valuation; they aim for the Big Exit (IPO)

3. super angels have a problem with high valuations because (presumably) they want to exit early; in an early exit the multiple is very dependent on the initial valuation. Super angels are so reluctant to accept high valuations that they brag not to fund the most high valued startups (which sounds crazy: the most high valued startups are probably the best ones)

So, here's my question: does valuation have to be uniform? If I sell 2% of my company to Mr. A for x amount of dollars, do I have to sell 4% to Mr. B for $2x? Or can I sell 4% to Mr. B for the same $x, because he values the company less?

It would seem, value is in the eyes of each buyer, who can pay what they want; I don't understand how VCs can single-handedly manipulate the total valuation of a startup? Why not segment the price for each kind of investor?

⬐ pg

It's difficult technically to do this in an equity round, but you can do it if you're raising money with convertible notes. We encourage startups to do it, actually, as a way to reward investors who are useful sources of advice and/or commit before the others.

⬐ savrajsingh

How do I view this and other Justin.TV videos on iPhone? I have the app but can't figure out how to get it to open this video.

⬐ _stephan

Is the written form of the talk already published somewhere?

⬐ 2arrs2ells

Up on pg's site soon, I imagine.

⬐ 2arrs2ells

I was there, and liked the talk.

One of the questioners asked pg if the trend of Google/Facebook (and to a lesser degree, Apple/Microsoft) buying out companies for $20-30 mil to get engineering talent is sustainable. pg's answer was more or less "Who knows?" but I wonder if others have additional thoughts.

To me, it seems like a terribly inefficient system. The actual promising startup idea/engineering gets thrown out. The cost per new hire is absurdly high. And it doesn't seem all that likely that a successful entrepreneur will be as successful inside a larger company (especially with a few million in his/her back pocket).

At the same time, Zuckerberg said that Facebook has been happy buying talent and is likely to accelerate the pace of acquisitions in the future... so who knows.

⬐ tptacek

$30MM is a disaster for a VC for structural reasons, but it doesn't inherently mean "talent acquisition". Is it really the case that (say) Google is buying companies for $30MM strictly for the talent?

I had a significantly smaller number in my head associated with "talent acquisition". I assume at $30MM there's a technology or line of business being purchased as well.

⬐ 2arrs2ells

Can anyone speak to the size of the acquisitions Facebook has made? Zuckerberg said they were for talent - and I know some (friendfeed) must have pretty significant in size.

Additionally, Dalton Caldwell (imeem) said that he thought Apple's lala acquisition was just for talent as well.

⬐ tptacek

Lala was effectively bought for under 5MM (they were still flush from an investment).

And, like FriendFeed, that was a marquee talent acquisition.

Justin.tv lets users trim and title recordings (they call it "highlighting"). I did that for my favorite talks, here are direct links with no skipping required:

Paul Graham: Recent trends in startup fundraising http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272030715

Andrew Mason (Groupon): Polishing your turds and getting SUPER RICH http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272030648

Tom Preston-Werner (Github): Optimizing for happiness http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272031754

Ron Conway (SV Angel): You can do it too http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272031486

Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) interviewed by Jessica Livingston http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272031868 + http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272031906

Brian Chesky: 1000 days of AirBnB http://www.justin.tv/c3oorg/b/272030551

Anyone wanna do the rest?

⬐ None

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