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All the comments and stories posted to Hacker News that reference this book.Let me recommend people interested in words check out C.S. Lewis’s book Studies in Words https://amzn.com/B01GEROZMQ/, which takes a handful of words and extends their analysis far beyond anything you could find in a comprehensive dictionary.People might also get some use out of Garner’s Modern American Usage https://amzn.com/0195382757. DFW sorta-review https://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-2001-...
⬐ beerandtIn a slightly different direction, there's also The Mother Tongue by Bill Bryson, which is more of a humourous explanation of English quirks.
Merriam-Webster uses a very permissive standard for grammar compared to most other usage guides. I like them, but you have to be careful following their advice. If you read their words fairly, you will note they say that "comprised of" is rejected by some readers.It's the whole descriptive vs. prescriptive thing, and MW explicitly adopts a descriptive standard (they say so in their preface). A good introduction to this larger question is David Foster Wallace's (excellent) essay in review of Bryan Garner's (fantastic) usage guide (http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/HarpersMagazine-2001-0...).
If you are interested in usage, and are not familiar with Garner's book, I recommend it. (http://www.amazon.com/Garners-Modern-American-Usage-Garner/d...) It is superior to MW for most writers' purposes. (For students of linguistics, MW might win out.)
Garner, incidentally, doesn't much like "comprised of" -- http://www.lawprose.org/blog/?p=2385 (“invariably inferior”).
I thought that the quality of writing in the article was very poor. As a side note, I also found it funny that many are worried that the "prestige" of Harvard is besmirched, because the original meaning (now obsolete) of prestige wasEDIT: Even the title of the article is unintentionally funny. Because academics may also be the plural of academic (better described as an academician), the title may be taken literally.An illusion; a conjuring trick; a deception, an imposture.
>As professors focus on their research, and students worry about securing career opportunities, both sides become increasingly disinterested in the classroom.
This sentence is atrocious, not only because of the use of "disinterested" for "uninterested" (Bryan Garner classifies this usage as Stage 4 on the language change index, meaning that it is ubiquitous but still not quite accepted [1]), but because the meaning is ambiguous. Are the views of the students about the idea of classroom learning changing, or do the students feel apathetic inside the classrooms of professors who ignore cheating?
Another poorly written sentence:
>The roughly 30-member committee was established in the fall of 2010 and includes about eight student members.
This sentence would be fine in informal speech. In formal writing, especially in a respected newspaper such as the Crimson, it is unacceptable.
Somewhere, John Simon is muttering under his breath.[2]
[1] http://www.amazon.com/Garners-Modern-American-Usage-Garner/d... [2] http://www.amazon.com/Paradigms-Lost-Reflections-John-Simon/...
⬐ EvbnIronically (note: probably wrong diction), the worse the article is, the better it proves its point, as it is a student publication.⬐ bane"As a side note, I also found it funny that many are worried that the "prestige" of Harvard is besmirched, because the original meaning (now obsolete) of prestige was An illusion; a conjuring trick; a deception, an imposture."Great point...
Of course prestige is the primary product for sale at such a place of business.