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Wars, Guns, and Votes: Democracy in Dangerous Places

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“Collier has made a substantial contribution to current discussions. His evidence-based approach is a worthwhile corrective to the assumptions about democracy that too often tend to dominate when Western policy makers talk about the bottom billion.” —The New York Times Book Review “Before President Obama makes a move he would do well to read Professor Paul Collier’s Wars, Guns, and Votes. . . Unlike many academics Collier comes up with very concrete proposals and some ingenious solutions.” — The Times (London) In Wars, Guns, and Votes, esteemed author Paul Collier offers a groundbreaking, radical look at the world’s most violent, corrupt societies, how they got that way, and what can be done to break the cycle. George Soros calls Paul Collier “one of the most original minds in the world today,” and Wars, Guns, and Votes, like Collier’s previous award-winning book The Bottom Billion, is essential reading for anyone interested in current events, war, poverty, economics, or international business.
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The good news is we can already test this hypothesis by looking at the countries that already enforce compulsory voting [1]:

  Argentina
  Australia
  Belgium
  Bolivia
  Brazil
  Ecuador
  Liechtenstein
  Luxembourg
  Nauru
  North Korea
  Peru
  Pitcairn Islands
  Samoa
  Singapore
  Swiss canton of Schaffhausen
  Uruguay
Which one of these is a democratic paradise that the author would like to emulate?

Australia is probably the best of the bunch but it's demography and geography are not comparable to the US, a lot of things that work there don't translate here and vice versa.

The author theorizes:

> When the only question voters face is whose ideas they prefer, politicians will naturally focus on developing and debating real world ideas rather than fantasies, and democracy can live up to its moral and practical potential.

O RLY? Is that the situation in Argentina, Bolivia and Ecuador? TL;DR: No.

This article also presumes the bedrock of democracy is elections, but in fact that's just one dimension and not necessarily the most important one -- rule of law, civil institutions, a functioning state are all equally if not more important than the selection of specific leaders.

Good book on this topic: https://www.amazon.com/Wars-Guns-Votes-Democracy-Dangerous/d...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting#:~:text=15)%...

xtracto
> but it's [sic] demography and geography are not comparable to the US, a lot of things that work there don't translate here and vice versa.

You should have started you post with that... discounting any other place because their demographics "are not comparable" to the US makes any additional argument moot.

Dah00n
>Australia is probably the best of the bunch

The country on the list most similar to the US is the best? That's very American of you. As someone not in any of those countries (US included) I could pick four or five before I got to Australia.

>O RLY? Is that the situation in Argentina, Bolivia and Ecuador? TL;DR: No.

Please don't do that.

bawolff
> Australia is probably the best of the bunch but it's demography and geography are not comparable to the US, a lot of things that work there don't translate here and vice versa.

Americans say that about literally everything. Sure comparisons are always imperfect, but its kind of silly how americans dismiss every comparision on the basis of "we're unique". America is not that unique.

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